Chat Transcript: Dotting the I's on the Notre Dame-OSU matchup
Eric Hansen: Welcome to Notre Dame Football Live Chat, Ohio State Game Week Edition. A friendly reminder to please include your NAME and HOMETOWN with your question. "Guest" is not a name, nor a legit hometown.
Programming note: We'll be back on Wednesday for the balance of the season. OK, on to the questions.
Manny from San Pedro, Calif.: Eric!!!!!!!! It’s game week!!!! My favorite time of year! Listening to my marching band CD on a loop!!! My question ... The defense seems stacked with seniors on defense, while the offense is very young. To Beat your Buckeyes, do we need our defense to hold them to under 24?
Eric Hansen: Manny !!!!!!%%%**&&$$#@!!! It's also my favorite time of year. ... To your question, if Notre Dame holds Ohio State to 24 points, Marcus Freeman will likely do cartwheels all the way back to South Bend. In this game, it's strength vs. strength (OSU's offense vs. ND's defense), and units with something to prove matching up (ND's offense vs, OSU's defense). Normally 30 points scored for the Irish has been a magic number for decades. Since 1980, Notre Dame is 213-24 (.899) when it scores 30 or more points. I'm not sure 30 on offense gets it done for either team in this game. Part of Notre Dame playing good defense in this game is playing keepaway with its offense/running game. Think back to North Carolina in 2020 or the Music City Bowl in 2014 vs. LSU. If you see that script playing out, the Irish have a chance.
CHUCK from CLEVELAND "THE LAND": Hi Eric, this week must feel like Christmas for you --- first game, No. 2-ranked opponent and your old stomping ground -- ENJOY. First an optimistic comment. OSU says that ND CBs have not seen receivers in practice similar to OSU's. I say that the OSU's D-Line has NOT seen an O-Line as big and vicious as ND. Two questions: 1) Are you concerned over the OSU weight advantage in their O-Line vs our D-Line? We have no starters > 300 lbs. 2) Why would Coach Freeman DEFER if win the coin toss? Our Offense MUST take the crowd out of the equation IMHO. Yes, we had a penchant for going three-and-out last year when we got the ball but, hopefully, Tommy Rees has learned much in a year. Have a great Saturday, Eric!
Eric Hansen: Hey Chuck. It feels like Christmas indeed, except I get to wear shorts and a short-sleeve shirt today and there's no mega VISA bill coming in the mail. So better than Christmas. 1) No I am not concerned. The Irish have quickness, depth and enough heft on their side. This HAS to be one of the boxes ND checks Saturday night, winning this matchup. 2) I don't think Marcus Freeman committed to deferring vs. OSU if ND wins the toss. I think he was talking more in general about what he might do hypothetically and what goes into those kinds of decisions — for all games, not just this one.
Tim from St Louis: Say it ain't so? Kirk Herbstreit is doing GameDay and calling the game Saturday? His twins are now at Ohio State. Any idea if those kids will see the field?
Eric Hansen: Not sure why that would be your reaction to Kirk Herbstreit. I think he's outstanding at what he does, but I realize it's subjective. Tye and Jake were the sons who originally went to Clemson. Tye is still there as a WR. Jake, I believe, transferred to Ohio State to focus on academics and is not on the OSU roster. A younger son, Zak, is a sophomore walk-on tight end for the Buckeyes, who likely won't hear his number called on Saturday night. Then there's Chase, a QB who is still in high school, and has designs of eventually walking on at Ohio State. ... I've posted a story after talking to Kirk yesterday via a Zoom conference call. The focus will is Tyler Buchner.
Marie from Atlanta: Hi Eric. I can’t believe we finally made it to game week. I know I’m excited. I’m sure you are too. What kind of passing and rushing numbers would Buchner need to have for you to feel comfortable that Notre Dame wins the game? What is the matchup most favoring Notre Dame on offense and defense and most favoring Ohio State on offense and defense. Have a great time in Columbus.Thanks for all your great insights.
Eric Hansen: Hi Marie and thank you. There are so many factors beyond Tyler Buchner that Notre Dame needs to control, or at least have an edge. Buchner's numbers alone won't drive an upset. But in trying to give you an idea of what his share of the pie needs to look like, I think the most important number is 0 turnovers from him (and the rest of the offense). I think if he has 80 yards rushing and 200 yards passing, it will be indicative of Notre Dame being able to play ball control, which would be a good sign. ... The matchup most favoring Notre Dame is Michael Mayer vs. whomever they try to limit him with. As far as a unit matchup, I like ND's D-line/front seven vs. OSU's O-Line. That has to be a reality for the Irish to win Saturday night. OSU's advantage is its passing game vs. ND's secondary. And that's another reason the Irish D-line/front 7 must step up and create pressure.
Marie from Atlanta: Hi Eric, submitting a second question instead of a four-parter. Who do you think has more pressure on them this weekend: Tyler Buchner or C.J. Stroud? I say Stroud, because if they lose, the outcry from the Ohio State fan base will be very loud. And I think some will start to doubt Ryan Day in the big games. For Buchner, it’s more of an opportunity to get a great win and to prove himself as a high-end college quarterback. Thoughts? Thanks for hosting the chat.
Eric Hansen: I appreciate you breaking up the questions. I think it's easier to read in the transcript and it helps me from getting scattered and forgetting to answer one of the parts. ... I think the greater pressure is on C.J. Stroud. But he has the solace of knowing he'll be a high draft pick, that he's been in these games before and he has the best wide receiver in the country (Jaxon Smith-Njigba, in my opinion) on his team. Win or lose, the pressure for Buchner will build in subsequent weeks to improve and grow into the QB Tommy Rees envisioned when he offered Buchner a scholarship before he had ever started a high school game.
Tom from Kennesaw, Ga.: Hi Eric, hope you are having a good week. My question is regarding procedure penalties against OSU. First games are always tough, but throw in the noise and atmosphere of a Saturday night game could prove tough. What game last year would have provided a similar experience for Buchner and the offense? Also, do you know what the Irish are doing in practice to keep the false starts to a minimum? Hoping for a strong performance Saturday, but first games are always a difficult situation. Good Luck Irish!!!
Eric Hansen: Hi Tom, and thanks. I think Virginia Tech at Blacksburg last year is the one from which Tyler Buchner can draw the experience of having to operate the offense non-verbally. And if you remember, he played quite extensively in that game. He even mentioned Tuesday night during media interviews a learning point from that game when he forgot a motion on a particular play because of the communications challenges. ND has done its best in practice to simulate those conditions with piped-in crowd noise. We'll see if that pays off Saturday night.
Drew from Alexandria, Va.: Davis Sherwood seems to be attracting attention. Has he played that well in fall camp? And, what role will he play for the Irish?
Eric Hansen: Davis Sherwood is a walk-on linebacker from Greensboro, N.C., who flipped to offense in the offseason. At 6-3, 228, he's a hybrid fullback/tight end. Really good blocker. Has some ball skills. We saw a lot of him in fall camp, and he was awarded a scholarship, so I would be shocked if we didn't see him on Saturday night.
Rog from Saint Louis: Eric, would love to get your thoughts on something coach Freeman said in his press conference Monday. He was asked if he thought that Tyler Buchner should have gotten a series in the bowl game. He said no. They had a game plan, and they were sticking with it. In the first half that game plan did work very well, and they scored 28 points. Second half was a different story. They did not make the adjustments offensively or defensively and lost the game. Teams will make adjustments and you have to be ready with other options than your original game plan. Am I totally wrong about what happened or is it still a concern that this team can make the adjustments throughout the game?
Eric Hansen: Hey Rog. I think Marcus Freeman kind of word-saladed his way through his answer (yes word salad is now a verb), because he was asked and answered that question months ago regarding Buchner and didn't expect to have to relitigate it Monday when there were so many other things to think and talk about. Yes, ND did not adjust well on either side of the ball in the Fiesta Bowl. Not a total pass there, but Freeman and Tommy Rees spent way more time trying to save the 2022 recruiting class from dissolving (and adding to it with Billy Schrauth) than they did in cobbling together answers for in-game scenarios.
That was certainly an emphasis from January on, putting together a smooth gameday operation, building a game plan and being prepared to have to alter it. Adding seven new assistants who bring a lot to the meeting table in terms of ideas has enhanced the process. Al Golden has been a head coach. Gerad Parker has been an OC and an interim head coach. Harry Hiestand is the football equivalent of Yoda. Now, the Irish coaching staff WILL have to adjust Saturday and Freeman has provided a structure for that to happen. Yet, they still have to go out and execute it.
Adam from Dayton, Ohio: Eric, thanks for the chats as always! So excited for this one, I'm on edge and it's only Wednesday! Going back and forth on my feelings on this game. Part of me thinks that ND has a legitimate shot, but then a part of me tells myself that is just the "crazy preseason optimism" talk in my brain. Here is my question: In a previous chat, you said you believe ND has a "punchers chance". To me, that's sort of an "Irish luck" victory. In your mind, what makes you think that Notre Dame has such a small chance rather than a more legitimate shot? We all know the Buckeye offense is terrifying and will be a matchup problem for the secondary. And The Shoe at night is going to be an extremely tough environment. But, Ohio State's defense still has a lot to prove. Other than 2019, Ryan Day teams have been more finesse than tough. Is it fair to think that OSU, while extremely talented, is not that juggernaut-type team that should be favored by 17?
Eric Hansen: Well Adam, the last part of the question is for you and your bookie to decide. As to the earlier part, you listed some of the reasons why ND's path to victory is narrow. Ohio State was able to outscore a lot of its mistakes and shortcomings in 2021. They'll likely be able to do that in 2022, and will likely have fewer shortcomings to shore up. Play this game on a neutral field in October, and maybe Notre Dame is in a better position to pull off an upset. There's no question, the Irish have more unknowns. And to get all of those to align perfectly as pleasant surprises is formidable. That's just reality. Doesn't mean they can't shock the world.
Jay from Granger, Ind.: 17.5 underground heading into OSU Saturday night. Total offensive yards for Buchner over/under 300? More total yards: running game or passing game? More interceptions or passing TDs? More receiving or rushing TD’s? Final score?
Eric Hansen: Hi Jay. I have Tyler Buchner for right around 300, so I'd take the under. ND is counting on Chris Tyree, Audric Estime and Logan Diggs to provide a good amount of offense in the non-QB running game. More rushing yards than passing yards for ND. More passing TDs than interceptions. More rushing TDs than passing TDs. Final score: Ohio State 38, Notre Dame 27.
Tim from Vancouver, Wash.: Thanks Eric, Tyler and everyone else. I appreciate your efforts. Do you guys believe ND will still be in this game going into the fourth quarter? I think that scenario needs to happen on Saturday. I dread the idea of a blowout. (I want Finebaum to eat some crow on Monday).
Eric Hansen: Thanks, Tim. I do believe ND will be in the game going into the fourth quarter. The fact that ND has the nation's longest active road win streak (10) in the nation, and a lot of these players were a part of that, gives me more confidence to make the educated guess that the Irish will stick around. Not sure what Paul Finebaum said (and really don't care to know), but if you're willing to ask him to eat crow, there are a lot less-appetizing alternatives other ND fans are suggesting being on his menu.
Dan from Whitby, Ontario: Eric, I really enjoy your work. Although Ian Book and Jack Coan were both accurate in short and intermediate routes, neither were known to throw the deep ball particularly well (which I believe hurt the effectiveness of guys like Braden Lenzy). I have not heard much about Tyler Buchner's arm strength and his ability to throw the long ball. This could be a welcome addition to our offence, which we haven't enjoyed for a number of years. I believe we have a few receivers who have the ability to stretch the field (Lenzy, Styles, Merriweather.) Your thoughts?
Eric Hansen: Dan, thank you .. .and I enjoyed your question. It's a good one. Obviously, you want a QB who can do both, right? DeShone Kizer had the home run ball working for him, but he wasn't as dangerous or as accurate with the shorter routes. Maybe another year of college ball and not landing in Cleveland at the nadir of that franchise would have helped. I think Jack Coan has the stronger arm between Ian Book and Coan, and he certainly was more confident in his down-field throws. In the practices this fall, we didn't see a lot of deep throws from any of the QBs. We saw a ton of red-zone work. I think that was by design. I did see enough of Buchner in last year's practices to know he has a stronger arm than both Book and Coan. His accuracy overall has come a long, long way since them. And the few deep passes I did see from him, his accuracy looked good on those routes as well.
One point I'd like to add, I think route-running had something to do with mitigating ND's deep game over the past few years. In talking to the ND wide receivers, Chansi Stuckey is so much more detail-oriented in his teaching than former WR coach Del Alexander that I think you'll see that show up in ND's passing game this season eventually, even with a thinner (depth), younger group.
Steve from Findlay, Ohio: Hi Eric. The latest weather forecast is projecting a hot day into the evening (88 for the high). Does this just add to Notre Dame s challenges with our depth?
Eric Hansen: I think it plays into ND's depth on defense. The Irish are likely to rotate eight or more D-linemen, five linebackers, four safeties and maybe even five corners. And they can do so with confidence.
John from Palmyra, Pa.: Heading out to Columbus on Friday for the big game! The ONLY concern I have going in are the ND 'backers and the mismatches vs. the spread. I really feel like, sans turnovers, the offense will move the ball with the run game. We don’t win without it. I hope we win TOP 45-15. Can the D do enough, in your opinion, to hold O$U to field goals? And if so, how do you see this happening without the 'backers being exposed? Go Irish!
Eric Hansen: If Marist Liufau is truly healthy and plays like I think he can play, I do not think ND's linebackers will be exposed. JD Bertrand had a very strong camp and is a better fit schemeatically and athletically at MLB. Jack Kiser and Bo Bauer also drew raves from DC Al Golden and key reserve Prince Kollie surged. If ND is going to hold OSU to field goals, that means they have been successful at holding down the Buckeye run game and that they have a strong plan for Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Have fun in Columbus.
Terry from Ithaca: Who won OL vs DL during camp? Is it realistic to expect ND's OL to control game?
Eric Hansen: There was a lot of back and forth. I still think ND's best unit going in is the D-Line and its second best is the O-Line, which is light-years from where the O-line ranked last season. Jarrett Patterson would make a big difference Saturday, though Andrew Kristofic has practiced well.
Steve Findlay OH: Any chance as an alumnus they have you dot the I Saturday?
Eric Hansen: With my sense of direction, I'd probably dot the H by mistake. No dotting for me on Saturday. I'll be tucked up in the pressbox doing my job.
Frank from Royse City Texas: We know about ND injuries, but what OSU players will not play against ND?
Eric Hansen: There hasn't been a great deal of reporting on this, but Ohio State seems to be in overall very good health coming into the matchup. ND too if you are looking at Jarrett Patterson as the only player with questionable availability. OSU will issue an official availability report two hours before gametime, and we'll pass it along.
Jules W: Joliet, il: In 2005 ND hired a head coach with no head coaching experience who was a very good coordinator and a top recruiter. Things didn’t work out. In 2021 ND hired a head coach with no head coaching experience who was a very good coordinator and thus far has done a very good job recruiting. What can, should, will Coach Freeman do to ensure head coaching success? Are at all concerned about the lack of experience?
Eric Hansen: Of course, there's concern with any coach that has a lack of experience. And yet there are plenty who jumped right into big Power 5 jobs and became stars even though there are more cautionary tales -- at least in Notre Dame's case. I wrote about this the other day, Marcus Freeman has a much better grasp of the big picture than Charlie Weis and fellow first-time head coaches at ND Bob Davie and Gerry Faust. That's going to push him through the growing pains faster and keep him on track. That's why I have confidence he's eventually going to be a successful head coach.
Len from the Jersey Shore: Hi Eric and thanks for hosting. Last week I tried in the words allowed to ask some difficult questions concerning leadership and culture. Your answer hit a home run with me; “not a prerequisite, but it's not discouraged either”. These words were chosen so well. But I have come to expect that form you. Plus the articles from InsideNDSports on Bracy, and on Morrison highlighting his relationship with Mickey furthered my understanding. Top that off with the discussion on the podcast about Amber Selking. Congratulations to you, Tyler and Kyle on presenting information in so many ways. My ?; Coach Freeman took a moment to explain his and the staff’s choices on how to prepare the team; how to run practice, choices on how hard for practice to be,when to practice in the RZ etc. Saturday he said we begin to find out how successful those choices have been. When we have a chat in Dec. what will we be discussing; The floor lowering? The ceiling raising? Or both? And why?
Eric Hansen: Len, thank you, thank you and thank you. I expect this team to go 10-2 and ND to finish with a top 5 recruiting class. The way Marcus Freeman and his staff recruit gives Notre Dame a greater margin for error on the field and in coaching that the Irish eventually won't need because of his growth. I'm not sure I answered your question in true multiple-choice fashion. I treated it as an essay test.
Kevin from St. Louis: (1) Eric, where's the line in this game between "Look, we're clearly building something here" and "doom and gloom that wipes all the sheen off of the Freeman era"? (2) And if you're Marcus Freeman, how do you take the results of this game and build on them for the rest of the season? (e.g. are you mentally prepping (1) a speech to prevent cascading losses after a big loss and (2) a speech after a victory to help avoid premature celebration and trap games? Do you have non-speech-related plans (affecting practice? post-game activities?) in the works?)
Eric Hansen: Kevin, are you trying to trick me with two part 1s and two part 2s? Because if you are, it worked. I'm going to try to read between the lines here. It's not about having a speech ready and picking the right one from several options. Marcus Freeman is about building a program with principles, based on his vision. That's your guide, win or lose. You lean into your program's culture and philosophy. You don't spin. Not unless you're a big phony. If you're asking me what the outside narrtive will be, I guarantee it'll be overreactive regardless of outcome.
Jeff from Phoenix: Good morning Eric. I wanted to get your take on the comments this week from ex-ND QB Phil Jurkovec. Although everyone is welcome to tell their own story, I wonder what the motivation or goal could be when the situation of his departure is 2-3 years old and many of those around him (Kelly in particular) have moved on? Would you be interested in interviewing Jurkovec ahead of the BC game and if so, what would you ask him? Thanks much-
Eric Hansen: Hi Jeff. Full disclosure, I did not read the full interview -- only the Cliffs Notes. And maybe the reason he waited to give a fuller version of his ND experience so far down the road is BECAUSE Brian Kelly and Chip Long are no longer at ND. Of course, I'd be interested in interviewing him before the ND-BC game in December. I always do research before I jot down topics I want to get to in an interview (I don't think of actual questions, just topics. I want the conversation to be fluid, not stilted, and then you kind of adjust on the fly). So not sure yet what I'd ask Phil Jurkovec beyond if he thinks things might have been different with the current staff. My head is clouded with Ohio State/ND issues this week. I need more hard drive space in my brain to think that far ahead.
Ron Dover De: Good morning Eric, I have two questions today. Coach Freeman’s comments In the press conference he shared the need to limit OSU offensive opportunities. I believe the offensive line and Audric Estime are the key to winning this game. Eric what are your thoughts? Second if this is not a close game win or lose do you think it will effect next years players commitment leading to more players de committing? Thank you
Eric Hansen: Hey Ron. The ND offensive line controlling the line of scrimmage is one of several boxes Notre Dame must check to knock off its highest-ever ranked opponent to open a season. Yes, I believe Audric Estime figures into the mix. How much? I picked him as one of my six wild cards for the season. So my expectation is that this season, he can affect ND's bottom line. Not sure if that starts Saturday or further into the season, but I like your thought on him. I do not think the outcome of Saturday's game will affect the 2023 class. The 2024 class maybe, but it's really about the season in its entirety, not a singular game. Remember, these two teams play next year in South Bend.
Tom from Toronto: Hi Eric, The chats are great. You get excellent questions from very knowledgeable fans and your answers are very perceptive. Every once in a while you get a off the wall question and you deal with them gently. This may be one of those. You have seen the team at a number of practices and have spoken with most if not all of the coaches. Do you think that this team will play within themselves from the start of the game, or will it take them a quarter or two to settle down? I think back to the first play in another big game, a pass to a wide open Chase Claypool that went through his hands. ND went three and out. My sense is that it would have been a very different game if that pass had been completed. Don't mean to pick on Mr. Claypool. I think the fault lied somewhere else. Thank you.
Eric Hansen: You know Tom, you scared me there for a minute. Your opening sounded eerily similar to how my adult sons approach me when they're going to ask me to borrow money. Whew. There may be some nerves on display Saturday night, but the overall vibe I get from this ND team is more of determination and relishing the challenge rather than pressing and unraveling. But we shall see. There's still a sense, especially with the older guys, that when Brian Kelly left for LSU, he essentially was telling them that they weren't good enough. They've been very motivated and confident ever since.
vince from Burdett NY: If the defense gives up between 30 and 34 points I would consider that a good job. Probably way under what OS will average this year. If the offense, with a totally unproven line, can score 20 - 24 points also a good day from them. OS will have a very good top 4 defense. I think OS will be ready for the offensive performance that almost beat Oklahoma? Of course Buchner could change the offensive plan a bit? but enough? As a big fan with lots of love for the game and ND I could be ok, of course with some pain, with a loss like that. Am I on the minority side here. Do you think the media and fan base will make this extremely difficult for Freeman, the staff and the team? Have our receivers been well coached, was there enough time in practice and experience that receivers can handle blocking if we can get the ball outside with speed?
Eric Hansen: Hi Vince. They averaged a nation's leading 45.7 ppg last year, so your math looks right. I'm not co-signing on some of your other premises, but let me get to you questions. To the media and fans making life difficult for Marcus Freeman, let's see what happens in the game first, but there's going to be a tendency to overreact. What comes after is so important. If ND beats Ohio State, but loses to BYU and Clemson, is it better off than losing to Ohio State and then running the table? Re the wide receivers, they've been very well coached. I'm super-impressed with first-year WR coach Chansi Stuckey.
Jim Tal, Valley Center, CA.: Hey Eric, hope you have a great experience in Columbus. There's little doubt that when it came to producing in big games, the Irish under Brian Kelly were a huge disappointment. And until he proves otherwise, I will withhold judgment as to whether Marcus Freeman can avoid going down the same road. And regardless of what anyone says or the mitigating circumstances that existed, the fact of the matter remains that Freeman and the rest of his staff did a poor job of adjusting or changing things up in the second half against Okie State. Not exactly a good sign. Why should Irish fans have more confidence that Freeman will fare better in the marquee games than Kelly did? Thanks.
Eric Hansen: Thanks, Jim. I think eventually it will because Notre Dame will have the talent to match up more favorably in those big-stage games. Now Marcus must complement that with great teachers/coaches for player development (I'll check that box), and he must have great instincts on both side of the ball to make in-game decisions (we'll see). But recruiting at a higher level gives ND a better chance to not just reach the playoff plateau, but win games there.
Tom Kennesaw, GA: Eric, the consensus seems to be ND D-line must dominate the OSU offense in order to slow down their offense and our Offene must move the ball against what was a suspect defense last year. Do you know if OSU's defensive problems were personnel related or scheme or execution (poor tackling, wrong assignment) related? If so, how much do you think that they will have corrected those under their new DC in game one?? Thanks and as always, Go Irish!!!!
Eric Hansen: Ohio State was No. 1 in total defense before hiring Kerry Coombs and No. 59 each of the past two seasons before firing him. They've recruited well, so it's safe to assume it's more scheme/strategy related than a talent dearth. Ohio State certainly has the offensive personnel to effectively test how well Jim Knowles' new schemes are working. And keep in mind there are going to be some blind-date elements in this game in terms of schemes and tendencies. So in-game adjustments are going to be significant.
johngipp Lititz, pa: Hey Eric, It seems that a lot of injuries are knee or below related and a number were non-contact issues. I wonder how many can be attributed to the shoes they are wearing. I know there was a concern in the past about the Under Armour shoes they wear. If this would be true, can they use a different brand without introducing contractual issues?
Eric Hansen: This came up many years ago when I was covering the Notre Dame men's basketball team during the John MacLeod Era for a couple of years and adidas was the shoe partner. They had a real issue with a certain model and there were almost team-wide problems with injuries and shin splints, etc. Eventually, the team was able to find other models that did work (though not all the same one), except for star player Pat Garrity. The problems persisted with him. So adidas allowed Garrity to wear Nikes -- except they made the ND equipment staff White-Out the trademark Swoosh logo. ... I am not attributing ND's injuries to Under Arnour's shoes, just answering your specific question.
Steve Findlay OH: Eric, Hope you have an enjoyable weekend, weather looks good, take a walk past mirror lake if you get a chance
Eric Hansen: I actually took a dip in Mirror Lake in the fall of 1978 and not actually by choice.
Eric Hansen: OK, that seems like a good place to put a bow on this week's chat. Thanks for all the great questions. We'll be back to do it all again next week at noon EDT on Wednesday.
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